Are our Christian priorities in the right place?

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fiftyby Shauna Marie Hyde

I simply cannot wrap my brain around the claim that homosexuals are going to Hell. I have watched people fight over this while I have sat and wondered why many single out this particular group? Why is sex really that big a deal? Why not murder, poverty, abuse, human trafficking?  It really bothers me that we claim salvation through the loving act of Jesus except for one group of people.  How is it that one earthly attribute/action/concept can defy and completely nullify the loving act of an all-powerful God?  Is God really so small that one human trait/act can completely undo what God did? Either God is all-powerful, and all means all (John 3:16) or it doesn’t. I am not aware of shades of beauty in salvation.  If there were shades of beauty then those who are saved after being a rapist, a molester, a murderer would not have the same salvation as the missionary, the servant of God, and others whose whole lives were devoted to God.

Some say it is because homosexuals have not repented of their sin (1 Corinthians 6). Well, in my experience, every human has some unrepented sin.   I do not know of a single person who is without sin and we have all fallen short (Romans 3:23)  Why is it that there have become “acceptable sins?”  Don’t tell me this is not the case, otherwise there would not be so many church folk who are overweight, cliquish, clannish, extremely judgmental, gossipy, hate-filled, unaccepting, abusive, addicted, making power plays, being selfish, having affairs—need I go on?

The only reason I can think of for why we are stuck here is that we have a problem with sex and a problem with pleasure.  We still seem to think that holiness is human, won through pious acts instead of God-given through the act of a merciful God. (Eph. 2:8-9)

A man is to be “a man.”  When two same gender people are in a relationship they are inevitably asked who is the woman and who is the man?  We cannot escape our “who is on top” thinking.  This bothers me because the underlying thought is still that the role of a woman is inferior and she should be on the bottom.

People focus on certain passages of scripture to defend their beliefs, yet they miss certain aspects that trouble me. We are back to the act of Christ.  The Old Testament does not govern Christians.  We believe Christ died and was resurrected making a new covenant, thus the “New” Testament.  So when we start using NT scriptures to justify our belief about homosexuality, we get into trouble there as well.  For every scripture that you tell me about how gay people are committing sin, I can give you a scripture about other sins that we are committing.  Paul addressed homosexuality, and I see a lot of people quoting those scriptures, but he also upheld slavery and subordinated women.  So, why is one passage more doable, quotable, and believable than others?

Since we are not consistent in our theology, we have failed to teach the world about love, forgiveness, and grace.  Instead of being associated with Jesus loving spirit by our non-Christian neighbors, we are considered closed-minded, hate mongering, bible clobbering people.  I am not that kind of Christian, so I do not want that to be my reputation—or the reputation of my religion.

Isn’t anyone else bothered by the fact that it is the good Christian families who are throwing away sons and daughters who come out as gay?  They are the second largest homeless population in America.  Congratulations Christian Church, we directly caused that demographic.  Why are we not stopping hate crimes and the bullying and murder of gays?  By our not stopping the hate mongering, we are just as culpable in the crimes as those who committed them. Why are we not stopping it?  Why am I not stopping it?


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Henry Neufeld
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I think in practice we Christians have two categories of sins: clean sins and dirty sins.

Clean sins are the ones I commit. Dirty sins are the ones you commit.

We don’t admit this, but we practice it.

Arthur Sido
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“I simply cannot wrap my brain around the claim that homosexuals are going to Hell.” Wrap your brain around this. EVERYONE is going to hell apart from Christ. Homosexual behavior is specifically named as a sin and those who practice it and refuse to repent remain under condemnation (John 3:18). It isn’t those awful “conservatives” who have made homosexual behavior a hot button topic, it is those who demand that for this particular sin we have to set aside what the Bible says and normalize and even celebrate it. John wrote in his first epistle: Everyone who makes a practice… Read more »

Nancy Petrey
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Arthur Sido, you nailed it! Thank you.

Shauna
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Shauna

Arthur, I am not sure how to read your reply (tone) and I also do not think you answered any of my questions. You just picked up your bat and started swinging. Telling me what I need to wrap my brain around and trying to pyschoanalyze me ( “I think that the reason you can’t wrap your head around the idea that unrepentant sinners go to hell goes way deeper than this one issue.) are not productive avenues to dialogue. You must serve a puny god if a sexual human act can undo a divine saving act. I think you… Read more »

Nancy Petrey
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Shauna, lay your burden down at the feet of Jesus. He said, “For My yoke is easy and My burden is light” (Matt. 11:28-30). The “apostle Jesus loved,” John, made it clear: “For this is the LOVE OF GOD, that we KEEP His commandments. And HIS COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT BURDENSOME” (I John 5:3). John also wrote, “He who says, ‘I know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (I John 5:3). As far as sexual sin goes, it is very serious, although I agree with you that EVERY sin grieves… Read more »

Shauna
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Shauna

No where in the Bible does it say that the cities were destroyed for homosexuality. The sexual sins were those of rape. Exekiel 16:49 clearly states why the cities were destroyed – they were arrogant, overfed, unconcerned, and did not help the poor and needy.

Joel
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The idea that a “homosexual” is going to hell is directly related to works righteousness. This is a legalistic view, that one must be “perfect” in order to “achieve” some heavenly realm. Neither of these things are promoted in Scripture. The being alone does not send one to hell. The act (let’s say greed), unrepentant, will prevent one from entering into the Kingdom of God, but as we know — there is a difference between the Kingdom and Heaven. I would suggest a heavy study on Matthew and Revelation to understand the difference. Yes, people apart from Christ will not… Read more »

Rev. Dr. Bob LaRochelle
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Rev. Dr. Bob LaRochelle

This is direct and powerful….Thank you for your powerful witness…You place the question of sin in proper perspective and you challenge us to treat one another w the love of God..

Tom
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Tom

I usually avoid these conversations, but you have a knack, as do a few others, that gets me to thinking….and I thought I would chip in….1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, 10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. The list is… Read more »

Robin
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I think what bothers me most is the idea that mere mortals have ANY idea of who is going to heaven and why (or why not). How arrogant to think we have the capacity to choose on behalf of God. If we spent half as much time correcting ourselves as individuals as we do trying to correct others, this world would be a much better place. For me, the issue is not sexuality. It’s a general willingness to step in and try to do God’s job.

Michael Kennedy
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The issue of homosexuality is a hot button issue right now and it is a divisive issue. I think there are two questions that must be answered in this discussion: 1. How does the Bible define marriage? God the Father instituted marriage in Genesis 1&2 when he brought Adam and Eve together. Jesus reaffirmed God’s intent for marriage in Matthew 19 when he was asked about divorce: “He answered, Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold… Read more »

Elgin
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“For every scripture that you tell me about how gay people are committing sin, I can give you a scripture about other sins that we are committing. Paul addressed homosexuality, and I see a lot of people quoting those scriptures, but he also upheld slavery and subordinated women. So, why is one passage more doable, quotable, and believable than others?” I know I am a big late on this but I wanted to comment to the above point. I believe there is a key and fundamental difference between the biblical teaching on homosexuality and the teaching on Slavery and women.… Read more »